mari and i are debaters! (okay she stole this from me)

milkylazy:

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Hmmm… Evidence… Let me tell you something. Smart people are actually really dumb! (I found that out a long time ago). You see, scientists use their authoritative power in order to tell lies that disprove God. The theory of evolution has been a great debate for years, even though it was proven false many times over. To make this bloody battle short, scientists use the theory as an alternative to Creation because that would imply that God exists, so they kept it out of textbooks and such. Why? So that they wouldn’t have to obey “rules of God” and thereby living “freely”. Basically, scientists don’t always tell the truth.
Also, do you need evidence to believe in something? Isn’t faith the reason why you believe, not evidence? Hopefully, you will think about this matter. Of course you can completely disregard this conversation as well.

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So, okay. You’re saying that people who try to find answers beyond faith-based ones are dumb. You then dive into a conspiracy theory that because scientists have harnessed the power of the world, they lie to the world to “disprove God”. Again, nothing factual, just an accusation with no backup.

“To make this bloody battle short” - as in you don’t want to dive into details. Why not?

Scientists use evolution because it has the most amount of documented evidence supporting it. Evolution does not rule out creationism in its basic form, but it does mean that the 6000 or even 10000 year old creation myth cannot be the true start of the world unless you want to admit that God planted the fossil records in the earth just to confuse us.
Creationism is kept out of textbooks because it is not science. If it were to be proposed as an alternative theory to scientifically researched theories, then if you’re GOOD you could fill up 5 minutes of class time. “The Theory of Intelligent Design. It’s where an intelligent being, apparently very powerful, created all matter out there. ANY QUESTIONS?” To dive into intelligent design ANY more than that would be religious, and that is not what we need in our classrooms. You can go to Church if you want to hear about religion.
Okay, so, creationism is kept out of the science classroom and textbooks so scientists don’t have to follow the word of God. They never had to follow. According to the bible, God gave us free will. We can live as freely as we would like. How are the scientists not telling the truth about -science-? Science is knowledge or a system of knowledge covering general truths or the operation of general laws, especially as obtained and tested through scientific method. Science has tested God to no avail. It’s sure is convenient that creationists claim he cannot be tested because he is all powerful and knows what we are up to. The fact that you never see TRUE miracles (such as the regrowing of a limb or something equally astounding) is very suspicious, for example.
And yes, we need evidence to come to conclusions. Faith is not the reason to believe, faith IS belief. You can believe that gun control is wrong or right, but you can say with 100% certainty that if someone’s heart stops pumping blood through their body, they will die. We have plenty of evidence that shows that people die, so it is presented as fact. God has no evidence. Things you can attribute to God can be reimagined and reattributed to other things. It will seem silly, but here is an example of an alternative creation theory that holds just as much weight as your own: http://www.venganza.org/about/open-letter/

And that’s all I’ve got.